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Hej,
det begynder da at ligne noget nu.
Det ser ud til at Henning Nielsen gifter sig med Chr. Christensen Tornvigs
datter Sidsel 1792. Så er han svigersøn, året passer med hans skøde
på gården året efter og svigersøn passer.
Hvis vi nu får slået hende ihjel før 1794 og vi finder Gregers Lassen,
så vi kan få det gjort af med ham i tide, så ville banen være fri for
Henning Nielsen til at gifte sig anden gang med Margrethe
Christensdatter af Barde også gift anden gang og det hele havde
en Happy End.
Ruth,
†1787+ er min skrivemåde for død efter 1787.
Jeg bruger * for født, † for død, 1750+ for i 1750 og derefter, 1740-
for i 1740 eller før. Jeg noterer mig altid det seneste år, hvor jeg har
set en person for at have holdepunkter, det er jo oplysninger af værdi,
når man søger.
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Hej Hugo,
jeg kan ikke finde Gregers Larsen i Rind 1787.
Hvor har du set ham?
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Mon ikke det er ham her:
Fkt-1787; Rind - Nørre Wejen ; 1;
249; Jens Lauritz Brejning; m; 36; gift,1; hosbond / gaardbeboer
250; Kiersten Nielsdatter; k; 35; gift,1; hans kone
251; Magrethe Jensdatter; k; 7; ugift; børn af 1.ægteskab
252; Inger Marie Jensdatter; k; 5; ugift; børn af 1.ægteskab
253; Lauritz Jensen; m; 1; ugift; børn af 1.ægteskab
254; Gregers Larsen; m; 28; ugift; tjenestefolk
255; Anne Michelsdatter; k; 29; ugift; tjenestefolk
256; Inger Michelsdatter; k; 32; ugift; tjenestefolk
257; Christen Nielsen; m; 12; ugift; tjenestefolk
258; Christen Nielsen; m; 50; gift,2; manden
259; Anne Christensdatter; k; 7; ugift; datter af 2.ægteskab
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Tak Arne,
jeg må have søgt forkert.
Men jeg kan ikke få ham jordet i Rind, så
jeg formoder at Gregers Larsen, hvem han så end er,
bosætter sig med Margrethe Christensdatter Barde i et
andet sogn.
Nyt fra Rick Larsen:
Siden Henning Nielsen og Margrethe Christensdatters første
barn 1795 opkaldes Zidsel, formoder han det er efter Hennings
første kone Zidsel.
Næste tre linier en misforståelse af hvad Rick mente:
Ingen som helst døde "in Vorgod or Assing in the 1792-1794 time period".
a. De er ikke indført. Fx Zidsels død glemt.
b. Der døde virkelig ingen.
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Heller ikke indført i Gjellerup.
Et er at præsten måske kunne have glemt en enkelt indførsel, men at ”udslette” en hel familie af kirkebogen tror jeg heller ikke på. Men der er mange sogne at søge i.
Vi må vel gå ud fra, at barnebarnet Niels Gregersen f. ca. 1794 i FT nedenunder, er Gregers Lauridsens. Han har måske været gift før, da man ellers kunne forvente en førstefødt ved navn Laurids eller Christen.
DDD:
ringkoebing, Bølling, Vorgod, Barde Bye, , 2, FT-1801, B8178
Peder Jensen 47 Gift Huusbonde Bonde og gaardbeboer
Maren Michelsdatter 68 Gift Hans kone
Jens Christian 15 Ugift Hendes børnebørn
Niels Gregersen 8 Ugift Hendes børnebørn
Anne Jacobsdatter 26 Ugift Tienestepige
Kirsten Hundkiær 70 Ugift Inderster Nyder almisse Maren Christ. Datter 50 Ugift Inderster ?? til at tiene
Jeg har kigget lidt på dette skifte, da jeg troede, at der var noget nyt at hente:
Uddrag af Herningsholm gods Skifteprotokol 1741-1788 G 428-3:
107 Christen Pedersen i Østergård i Barde i Vorgod sogn. 16.2.1775, fol.195.
E: Maren Mikkelsdatter. LV: Christen Mikkelsen i Abildtrup. B:
Karen 10,
Kirsten 8,
Margrethe 5.
FM: morbror Niels Madsen Pilgaard, farbror Christen Pedersen Barde i Østergård, Jens Jacobsen Lysgaard.
Niels Madsen i Pilgård (f. ca. 1730) var gift med Anne Mikkelsdatter (f. ca.1738). Desværre bliver de gift og får børn i årene, hvor kirkebogen har en lakune, så der var ingen spor gemt.
Men jeg tror, at Anne Mikkelsdatter er Maren Michelsdatters søster, da Mikkel Abildtrup får en datter Anne i 1739. Men det er sagen uvigtgt.
Mvh.
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Hej Ruth,
jammen jeg er da tilfreds hvis vi bare kan få en i Vorgod slået ihjel
nemlig Sidsel. Gregers skulle også helst dø, men han må såmænd
gerne gøre det i et andet sogn, og at barnebarnet
opvokser ved bedsteforældre er dog et ret kraftig fingerpeg, at mindst
en af forældrene kunne være døde.
Niels Gregersen må vel være født 1793c og også efter ham kan
man lede. Aarene passer endnu.
Henning er ikke et helt almindeligt navn og at der først står okt. 1792
gift med en Sidsel i Vorgod og at han i 1793 får tilskødet gården
som 'svoger' af en Sidsels far Christen Christensen Tornvig er dog
retningsvisende. Og bliver i 1794 med en Margrethe Christensdatter,
som man genser i FT 1801.
Desuden bliver en Margrethe Christensdatter 1. gang gift 1790, får
1793 en søn Niels Gregersen, der vokser op ved hendes forældre, om
muligt fordi faderen er død og de har taget barnet lige efter.
Men det generer lidt at de andre ægtepartnere ikke vil dø.
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vms skrev:
Ingen som helst døde "in Vorgod or Assing in the 1792-1794 time period".
a. De er ikke indført. Fx Zidsels død glemt.
b. Der døde virkelig ingen.
Det forstår jeg ikke. For mig at se er der da en hel del døde indført begge steder i de år.
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Bare for at gøre det hele lidt mere træls, så har jeg heller ikke fundet det andet barnebarn, dattersønnen Jens Christian, indført i Vorgod kirkebog omkring 1781.
Hvem ved noget om Henning Nielsens svigerinde Kirsten Christensdatter, født 1766, død efter 1787?
NB: Gregers lauridsen er ikke at finde døbt, viet eller død i
Borris, Rind, Gjellerup, Hoven, Brejning
Mvh.
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Hej Arne,
jeg havde misforstået en mail fra Rick Larsen,
han mente vel ingen død eller begravelse for Sidsel fundet.
Ruth:
Jens Christian uden efternavn kan jo være fra et andet barn
som forælder, eller du formoder vel at Gregers Larsen måske
var gift før, men så kan det vel ikke være ham 1787 i Rind.
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I have been following the discussion with a great deal of interest, with the help of Google translate in some cases ;) I hope you don't mind my writing a few thoughts in English...
I printed out a summary of all of the information that I have collected, both here and in parish registers, and Arne Feldborg posted the updated version at http://hammerum-herred.dk/viewpage.php?page_id=27
Christen Christensen Tornvig (b. 1725):
When his father, Christen Tornvig, died in 1734 I suspect that there was will/testament involved. My suspicions are based on the fact that he seemed to have accumulated a fair amount of wealth, so much that his children were able to purchases properties. Christen Christensen Tornvig, his second son had wealth enough to buy multiple properties starting as young as 23 years of age!
Why did Christen Tornvig deed the farm in Fjelstervang to his son-in-law Henning Nielsen (husband to two of his daughters) around 1794, and not to his oldest son Berndt Christensen? This is strange, even more so considering that Bernd and his entrie family completelydisappear from Ringkøbing amt after 1794.
I have tried to follow him through the movements of his children to find his death and the death of his wife, Maren Nielsdatter. I am not 100% sure of my results, but I think I found them living with his son Niels and his family in Hee in 1801, and have their subsequent deaths there, as identified in the report Arne posted. I have some doubts though.
Christen Christensen Tornvig (b. 1769)
How is it that a 23 year old young man has the wealth to purchase properties, even multiple properties? Normally, one would think that wealth would be passed at death in a will/testament, but we see his father and mother still alive in Fjelstervang in the 1787 census and we see no indication of any death between 1787 and 1795.
In 1796 Christen Christensen Tornvig (b. 1769) named one of his children, Else Trøstrup, after a placed called "Trøstrup" [Snejbjerg 1750-1799, Opslag 204]. In 1806, he named a son, "Christen Trøstrup" after the same place [Vildbjerg-Timring 1780-1816, Opslag 47].
If he was still living in Fjelstervang in the 1787 census, 9 years earlier, what significance did this place have for him to name not one, but two, of his children after it? I have not found the link.
Well, those questions are important enough so that I won't ask more for the moment.
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Bernt Christensen mener jeg er rejst til Timring, men jeg har ingen bevis for det, bortset fra Bernt og hustrus alder.
Forloveren ved deres bryllup er Christen Tornvig og en af fadderen ved Appellones dåb i Timring i 1801 er Christen Tornvig.
Dåben er her:
http://hammerum-herred.dk/mkort/vis_bog.php?nr=192&dir=513a-01&size=100&ark=17
DDD:
ringkoebing, Ulfborg, Timring, Birkemose By, , 13, FT-1801, B9198
Bærnt Christensen 46 Gift Mand Bonde og gårdbeboer
Kirsten Jensdatter 38 Gift Hans kone
Jens Bærntsen 12 Ugift Deres Søn
Maren Bærntsdatter 9 Ugift Deres datter
Inger Bærntsdatter 7 Ugift Deres datter
Zidsel Kirstine Bærntsdatter 3 Ugift Deres datter
Appellone Bærntsdatter 1 Ugift Deres datter
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As I told you some time ago, the story says that Christian Tornvig got money from his father in law (by legal or ilegal means..). As I also told you then, I do not believe it at all.!
I do not think that the father in law had that amount of money. And i do not think any other of Chr. Tornvigs relatives had it.!
I think he simply did make his money by trading in cattle, clothes or property, or something like that. It is not so unusual at the time. And of course he most likely had to borrow a lot of money too.
And after all, he started as a copyholder in his father in laws halfpart of Øster Haunstrup, bougth it in 1792 and became "Self-owner", and and sold it again in 1792 to the owner of the other halfpart - probably for a wery god price.
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Ruth Neumeister skrev:
Bernt Christensen mener jeg er rejst til Timring, men jeg har ingen bevis for det,
Forbindelsen til Timring ser rigtig nok ud. Bærent Christensen (født i Vorgod) dør i Birknmose, Timring 05 nov 1839, 84 år gammel.
Der er mange af hans efterkommere i folketællingerne i Timring 1834, 40 , 45 osv.
Fkt-1834; Timring - Birchmoese, en Bye ; 43; en Gaard
249; Bærnth Christensen; m; 80; enkemand; Gaardmand
250; Anders Bærntsen; m; 29; ugift; hans Barn
251; Inger Bærntsdatter; k; 39; ugift; hans Barn
252; Abelone Bærntsdatter; k; 33; ugift; hans Barn
253; Peder Christian Jensen; m; 11; ugift; hans Dreng
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Til Ruth
Henning Nielsens svigerinde, Kirsten Christensdatter bør være hende der 13-3-1788 bliver gift med Poul Madsen. (Hans 3' ægteskab) Forlover er Peder Jensen = hendes stedfar
Hun dør allerede 1801, begravet 3-2-1801
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Hi Rick,
there seem to be some misunderstandings here.
A. Will and or Testament
These are exceedingly rare before 1780 and very rare after that time.
They were used mainly by really well off couples - priests, landed gentry -
with no children. They would have a common will notarized by the king
generally saying that the inheritors of the deceased partner would get
10 rigsdaler and the living partner keep the rest. I have seen just two
of these in Brande before 1814 both by people born outside of Brande
and not being tenants as most were.
You most likely mean 'skifte'.
B. Skifte
A skifte was required by law, when there were children in a marriage.
The children got half and the living partner half. Girls got half of boys
parts. The other case was with partionable wealth and where no
(acknowledged) children existed. But of course there is another
necessary condition. So we have these conditions:
1A A parent dies and there are children in the marriage
1B or a person of some wealth, no spouse, no children.
2 Belongings of some monetary worth.
First of all there has to be something to inherit, otherwise even the
executor would not get a fee, and without a fee he won't come.
Arnborg
For just about all people in Arnborg, which was a small and very poor
parish, the personal belongings won't have been worth much
1680 - 1770 or so. All the farms in 1683 belonged to estates, all the
farms in 1743 belonged to estates. Tornvig 1743 belongs to Peder Paaske
of Nørre Karstoft estate (small) in Skarrild parish. He was a "estate
owner's sherif" (birkedommer) for Hastrup and lived on Hastrup Mølle
in Thyregod. Tenancy, as you may be aware, is just once removed from
servitude. In Arnborg and surrounding parishes it was less onerous in
that the estate manors with their controls were far enough off not to be
a daily nuisance.
Christen Tornvig the elder †1734 in Tornvig is very unlikely indeed to
have owned enough to pay the executors fee. He did not own the farm.
But lets look at the record on skifter:
Erik Brejl's Abstracts of skifter in Arnborg:
(Erik has abstracted an astounding number of skifter and certainly
almost all in Hammerum herred).
Sindinggaard Gods
14 Christen Lauridsen, tjenestekarl i Sønder Søby i Arnborg sogn. 11.11.1729, fol.68B.
A: søskende Karen Lauridsdatter Skytte. FM: Arendt Bisted, Anne Lauridsdatter. FM: Jens Høgild, Jens Lauridsen i Harrild, Kirsten Lauridsdatter i Borup, Erik Lauridsen, rømt, Mikkel Lauridsen.
22 Mikkel Lauridsen i Sønder Søby i Arnborg sogn. 24.3.1738, fol.95.
E: Johanne Jensdatter. LV: Jacob Andersen i Fasterholt i Arnborg sogn. B: Anne 12, Maren 8. FM: Laurids Jensen i Harrild i Ejstrup sogn.
Lundenæs Amt
613 Maren Christensdatter i Sønder Søby i Arnborg sogn. 13.10.1777, fol.419.
E: Laurids Jørgensen. B: Kirsten 16 uger. Desuden nævnes afdødes søster Johanne Christensdatter og enkemandens bror Niels Jørgensen i Lind.
627 Jens Jacobsen i Fasterholt i Arnborg sogn. 14.3.1778, fol.449B.
E: Johanne Madsdatter. LV: Christen Christensen i Fasterholt. B: Anne Kirstine 15, Jacob 8, Anne Johanne 3, Jens 3 uger. FM: fars søskendebørn Jens Mikkelsen i Sandgård i Rind sogn, Christen Christensen i Store Fjelstervang i Vorgod sogn, Christen Pedersen i Uhre i Brande sogn. Afdødes mor har aftægt.
Now, that is all for Arnborg up to 1780. The people of Sønder Søby must
have had money - I don't know the details of this. Jens Jacobsen in
Fasterholt probably owns the farm, the rush to ownership in Arnborg
came 1760-80 and much faster than for example in Brande. The farms
in Arnborg are on poor land (sand).
But four out of hundreds of older people, who have died during that
time, is a drop in the ocean. Certainly, some skifter may have been lost,
but nobody who is constantly underway in these parishes would expect
any skifter before 1780 and be mightily surprised when there is one and
leading to the question how on earth did that person get the wealth.
The last skifte has a bearing on this thread, I will come back to it later.
C. Inheritance of Farms
You mention being surprised that the oldest son does not inherit the
farm from Christen Christensen Tornvig the older *1728c (? from
folketællings age):
Why did Christen Tornvig deed the farm in Fjelstervang to his son-in-law Henning Nielsen (husband to two of his daughters) around 1794, and not to his oldest son Berndt Christensen? This is strange,...
You may be expecting primogeniture, as it was sometimes practised in
Germany and some other countries, where the oldest son would get the
farm or whatever it was.
But this is quite foreign to Danish practise, I would even be surprised that
somebody would expect it. If you look at who gets the farms, you will
see that it is very often somebody married to a daughter. And looking
at the evidence it is more often the most qualified and of the right
age that gets the farm, daughter or son, old or young.
(I think this is interesting enough, that I will try to collect some statistics
on it in Brande to get an idea of the percentages involved).
In this particular case the evidence is that Henning Nielsen was married
to a daughter of Christen Christensen Tornvig the older *1728c namely
Sidsel, who seems to have died very soon. You state that Henning
married two daughters of Christen Christensen Tornvig the older *1728c.
But Henning's second wife does not seem to be his daughter, see
above, that would seem almost proven.
And that fact, that it was not a daughter may have contributed to him
(Christen Tornvig the older) moving off. The farm was now in the hand
of a son in law, but the daughter was dead. So it was not blood family
any more. There are quite a few cases like that.
D. Wealth in Fjelstervang, Vorgod.
Christen Christensen Tornvig the older *1728c married into some wealth,
it would seem. But he must have been a competent person himself. You
see that a lot, some people are good at making money. But, as Arne,
says, most have heavy loans secured on the farms. Sometimes this is
recorded in the deeds register, but many a time it is not.
There does not appear to be anything strange in that he works himself
up to wealth.
About Christen Christensen Tornvig the younger *1769 you say:
Normally, one would think that wealth would be passed at death in a will/testament ...
We went into that above. Since his father or mother have not died,
there will be no skifte until they do and then only if there's anything
left. What the elder Christen did was sell and deed the farm to what
would be his son in law Henning. What he did with the money is
another question, some divide it among the children, some buy
another farm some use it, there is no general rule. But now back to the
one skifte above.
E. 627 Jens Jacobsen i Fasterholt i Arnborg sogn. 14.3.1778
Søskendebørn probably means cousins here not siblings. Christen
Christensen the older in Fjelstervang is one cousin of Jens Jacobsen,
but Christen Pedersen in Brande is another. He is the second husband
of Henning Nielsen's mother Ane Henningsdatter *1728c †1801 Uhre,
Brande married 1st to his father Niels Christensen †1763-73 Uhre
Brande. Christen and Ane married before 1774 probably in Brande.
So Jens Jakobsen father or mother had siblings married to a Peder,
Michel and Christen it would appear. But in the case of Christen
Pedersen it might be a little different in that the relationsship is as a
stepfather to Henning Nielsen and his first wife, I do not know enough
to be able to tell.
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Hi Villy,
That was extremely informative for me. Thank you very much. There were many things that I did not know.
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Hugo:
Tak for informationen om Henning Nielsens svigerinde Kirsten, der er blevet gift med sognefogeden Poul Madsen. Han var gift 4 gange, hvoraf ægteskabet med Kirsten er hans 3. Poul får i alle ægteskaber mindst 14 børn, hvoraf de 7 med Kirsten
Kirsten dør i Videbæk i 1801 og Poul Madsen gifter sig 1801-1802 for 4. gang med Anne Marie Jacobsdatter. Denne vielse ikke fundet i Vorgod.
Pouls far var lige så aktiv udi ægteskaber idet han var gift 3 gange og fik 12 børn.
Det er næsten som en sudoku.
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RE: Anne Tornvig i Arnborgs efterslægt |
Rick Larsen
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| Lagt på d. 21/04/2011 18:38 |
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I speculate that "Kirsten Magrethe Christensdatter" {Tornvig} died sometime between her confirmation in Vorgod in 1782 and the 1787 census. I find it uncommon though that none of her brothers and sisters named any of their children after her, such as was the case when Zidsel apparently died.
I also do not see her appearing as a godmother at any of the baptisms of her brothers and sisters. If she was not dead, she must have been living a great distance away.
I checked for marriages in Nørre-Vium-Vorgod, Assing, Sønder Felding, Skarrild, Arnborg, Rind, Herning, Snejbjerg-Tjørring, Nøvling, Vildbjerg and Timring, without success.
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Ruth Neumeister
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| Lagt på d. 22/04/2011 12:23 |
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Christen Tornvigs datter Kirsten Margrethe Christensdatter bliver en gammel dame på 76 år.
Kirsten Margrethe nævnes blot en enkelt gang ved sit fulde navn i folketællingen 1801, ellers kaldes hun blot Kirsten.
Hvor hun befinder sig i 1801 ved jeg ikke, men mon ikke storbror har hentet hende til Birkmose?
Måske hende her:
DDD:
ringkoebing, Ulfborg, Timring, Birchemoese, , 6.Fam, FT-1787, C1561
Ib Christensen 29 Gift Husbond Bonde
Ane Chathrine Larsdatter 36 Gift Madmoder
Anders Nielsen 10 Ugift Barn af 2.Ægteskab
Birthe Nielsdatter 7 Ugift Barn af 2.Ægteskab
Lars Nielsen 2 Ugift Barn af 2.Ægteskab
Christen Hansen 30 Ugift Tjenestekarl
Kirsten Christensdatter 20 Ugift Tjenestepige
Kirsten Margrethe bliver gift i Vorgod:
http://hammerum-herred.dk/mkort/vis_bog.php?nr=202&dir=537a-01&size=100&ark=18
1789
d 16 Oct: blev trol: ungk Niels Jacobss og Kirsten Xtensd: og bleve copul: d 10 Nov:
DDD:
ringkoebing, Ulfborg, Timring, Birkemose By, , 12, FT-1801, B9198
Niels Jacobsen 39 Gift Mand Bonde og gårdbeboer
Kirsten Magrethe Christensdatter 38 Gift Hans kone
Karen Nielsdatter 4 Ugift
Maren Nielsdatter 1 Ugift
Anne Jacobsdatter 92 Ugift Hans faster Almisselem
Peder Sørensen 63 Ugift En gl. karl Daglejer
De første børn er født i Timring. Jeg har kun ledt efter en enkelt for at få bekræftet moderens navn:
http://hammerum-herred.dk/mkort/vis_bog.php?nr=174&dir=513a-01&size=100&ark=17
1792: Karen
Far: Niels Jacobsen og mor Kirsten Magrethe
Imellem 1801-1803 flytter Niels Jacobsen og Kirsten Margrethe til Vorgod, hvor de får 2 piger:
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Anne Cathrine Nielsdatter f. 1803 i Store Fjelstervang
Far Niels Jacobsen og mor Kirsten Margrethe Christensdatter
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Sidsel Kirstine f. 1806 i Store Fjelstervang
Far Niels Jacobsen og mor Kirsten Marie Christensdatter
1834 bor de i Skarrild hos svigersønnen Niels Poulsen, der har været gift med deres datter Sidsel Kirstine. Hun dør 7 november 1833 i Døvling.
DDD:
ringkoebing, Hammerum, Skarrild, Skarrild Sogn & Sønderland, Døvling Bye, 12, en Gaard, 51, FT-1834, A0980
Niels Pouelsen 36 år Enke Gaardmand
Pouel Nielsen 4 år Ugift Hans søn
Niels Jakobsen 71 år Gift Aftægtsmand
Kjerstine Christensen 71 år Gift Aftægtskone
Birthe Marie Larsen 24 år Ugift Tjenestepige
Kirsten Margrethe Christensdatter dør i Skarrild i 1839
http://hammerum-herred.dk/mkort/vis_bog.php?nr=235&dir=521-09&size=75&ark=17
Døde kvindekøn 1839, nr. 4
Død dato: 15 November
Begravet dato: 24 November
Navn: Kirsten Margrethe Christensdatter
Niels Jacobsens Kone af Øster Deuling. Aftægtsfolk
Alder: 76 Aar
Niels Jacobsen dør 1847
http://hammerum-herred.dk/mkort/vis_bog.php?nr=226&dir=521-10&size=75&ark=17
Døde mandkøn 1847, nr. 1
Død dato: 25 Januar
Begravet dato 31 Januar
Navn: Niels Jacobsen
Fattiglem i Deuling
Alder: 79
Alm. Jevnf.: 67 -1
Anm.: Alderdomssvaghed
Svigersønnen Niels Poulsen gifter sig 2. gang 30. nov. 1834 med Anne Christensdatter (død 1891 i Skarrild), født 25. feb. 1810 i Barde, datter af Christen Pedersen og Marianne Jensdatter.
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| Lagt på d. 22/04/2011 14:00 |
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Det er måske allerede kendt stof. Niels Jacobsen har du her;
35 Jacob Christensen i Birkmose. 15.5.1783, fol.68B.
E: Karen Nielsdatter. LV: Jens Ovesen i Ris. B: Niels 20, Christen 18, Anne Cathrine 10. FM: Niels Andersen i Birkmose.
Født i Birkmose, Timring. Døbt i Timring 4. søndag i adv. 1763.
mvh, a.f. |
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